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January 20, 2017 - Inside FHA/VA Lending

E-Submission Required for VA Prior-Approval Loan Documents

Effective Feb. 13, 2017, VA lenders will be required to submit prior-approval mortgage loans electronically through the WebLGY system to improve the prior-approval process. Currently, lenders mail their prior-loan approval packages to the regional loan center that has jurisdiction over loan underwriting – a tedious, time-consuming process. Electronic submission will help speed things up, the VA indicated. Lenders must follow the guidelines for prior approval and stacking order in the VA’s Lender Handbook. In addition, lenders must furnish a cover letter with the uploaded package stating the reasons for the prior approval and explaining any unique circumstances. The cover letter also must include the submitting underwriter’s name, phone number and email address as well as contact information for the underwriter’s manager. The lender must ensure that the file contains the correct and complete ...


January 20, 2017 - Inside FHA/VA Lending

Ex-FHA Chief Suggests Common Standards for FHA, VA, USDA, GSEs

A former FHA commissioner is calling for a common national housing policy and regulations, as well as aligned capital standards for FHA and the government-sponsored enterprises in lieu of the current regulatory regime – an idea first put forth by the Mortgage Bankers Association. Brian Montgomery, former assistant secretary for housing and FHA commissioner in the second Bush administration, said the nation’s homebuyers are at a disadvantage due to the lack of a unified, detailed plan for the housing finance system. Montgomery, a current contender for a top executive position at the Department of Housing and Urban Development, urged President Trump to create a new Office of National Housing Policy to develop a “unified and collaborative approach to our nation’s housing policy, including homeownership and subsidized rental housing.” “The prevailing view within the ...


January 20, 2017 - Inside FHA/VA Lending

HFAs to Benefit from FHA Premium Cut, Wage Growth Says Moody’s

The 25-basis-point decrease in the FHA’s annual insurance premiums translates not only to annual savings for homeowners but also boosts the competitiveness of housing finance agency loan products, according to a new report from Moody’s Investors Service. The report regards the latest FHA pricing adjustment as credit positive for housing finance agencies (HFAs) because it would make FHA loans more affordable to borrowers and increase HFA loan originations. The announcement to reduce the annual mortgage insurance premium to its lowest allowable level took stakeholders by surprise. In November, FHA had no plans to lower premiums despite an uplifting actuarial report on the condition of the Mutual Mortgage Insurance Fund. This week, however, there is uncertainty as to whether the Trump administration will allow the reduced premiums to take effect for new loans closing on or after ...


January 20, 2017 - Inside FHA/VA Lending

FHA Codifies Key Changes to HECM Rules, Issues New Program Policies

The Department of Housing and Urban Development has codified significant changes to the Home Equity Conversion Mortgage program that have reduced risks to both FHA and reverse mortgage borrowers. Specifically, the rule codifies existing HECM policies implemented by mortgagee letters, implements statutory changes, issues new origination and servicing policies, and clarifies existing regulatory language. HUD said it has established an eight-month lead time between the publication of the final rule and the effective date, Sept. 19, 2017, to provide lenders enough time to understand the rule and plan for necessary changes. The grace period also allows time for FHA to issue guidance and make system changes. The National Reverse Mortgage Lenders Association expressed support for the final rule. “Personally, I am glad to see this final rule get out the door,” said NRMLA President and ...


January 20, 2017 - Inside FHA/VA Lending

Lenders Expect VA Refis to Drop in 2017, Rising Demand for Purchase

VA originations have been trending upward over several quarters, thanks to an unusually heavy share of refinance business, but all good things, at some point, must slow down, lenders say. The refinance business overall has fallen to 45 percent from 55 percent in the fourth quarter of 2016, and that will have an effect on VA originations in the first quarter of 2017, said Andy May, chief operating officer of the American Armed Forces Mutual Aid Association Mortgage Division. Going forward, May expects VA originations to fall by 10 percent in the first quarter due to rising interest rates. But even though rates have been trending up, May saw an uptick in VA loan applications in January as fence-sitters jumped into the market to take out a loan before rates went any higher. “The MBA estimates rates will rise above 5 percent in the next 24 months and then down to 4.8 percent by the end of 2018, and up to 5.3 percent at the ...


January 20, 2017 - Inside FHA/VA Lending

Trump Administration Scuttles 25 bps Annual Premium Reduction

The Trump administration has officially set aside the 25 basis point cut in FHA annual premiums in a new mortgagee letter issued by the Department of Housing and Urban Development hours after Donald Trump was sworn in as the 45th president of the United States. Mortgagee Letter 2017-07 said that the annual-premium reduction HUD announced on Jan. 9 “has been suspended indefinitely.” Stakeholders will be notified in the event of a policy change, the letter added. The letter confirms reports earlier in the week that the FHA pricing adjustment was about to be spiked. Ben Carson, who had his confirmation hearing before the Senate Banking Committee last week, told lawmakers that he planned to work with the FHA director and financial experts to review the cut. However, the HUD secretary-designate gave no indication as to whether he favored a premium reduction that would benefit thousands of ...


January 20, 2017 - Inside FHA/VA Lending

FHA/VA Default Rates Spike Up In 4Q16, Nonbanks Still Growing

Mortgage default rates appeared to spike higher in the fourth quarter of 2016, according to a new analysis and servicer ranking by Inside FHA/VA Lending. Some 5.51 percent of FHA loans in Ginnie Mae mortgage-backed securities pools were reported as 30- to 60-days past due at the end of December. That was up 80 basis points from the previous quarter and was easily the highest default rate in the past three years. FHA default rates were also up in more serious delinquency categories: loans 60- to 90-days past due and those over 90-days late. The figures are based on loan count and are not seasonally adjusted. Similar trends occurred in the VA home loan guaranty program. The 30-60 category was up 41 bps, while 90+ delinquencies jumped 19 bps. The supply of Ginnie single-family MBS outstanding continued to set new records. The total, not including multifamily and FHA home-equity conversion ... [4 charts]


January 20, 2017 - Inside MBS & ABS

Good News/Bad News on MBS Trading Volume: With MBS Prices Falling, No Place to Sell?

The average daily trading volume in agency MBS fell to $192.1 billion in December, the lowest reading of the year, according to the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association. For the full year, however, average daily trading volume in agency product came to $206.6 billion, compared to $193.0 billion in 2015 and $178.0 billion in 2014. The last time trading volume was higher than in 2016 came three years earlier when $222.8 billion in agency product was traded on a daily basis. What the numbers actually mean is...


January 19, 2017 - Inside Mortgage Finance

First-Time Homebuyers in the Market Contributing to Growing Number of Terminated Closings, says Trulia

The number of “sold” homes failing to seal the deal come closing time is growing. A new report from Trulia shows that the “sales fail” rate has jumped from 2.1 percent in 2015 to 3.9 percent in 2016. Trulia noted that there was an even bigger jump in incomplete sales in the past two years. Of all listed properties in the fourth quarter of 2014, only 1.4 percent did not reach the closing table. But in the fourth quarter of 2016, the number of failed sales catapulted to 4.3 percent. The reasons those sales are falling through the cracks range...


January 19, 2017 - Inside Mortgage Finance

Trump Administration Expected to Freeze Cut in FHA Mortgage Insurance Premiums

The Trump administration is expected to put a temporary freeze on the 25 basis point cut in FHA annual premiums that is scheduled to take effect Jan. 27. One industry source noted: “On Jan. 20, President Trump will be issuing an executive order that freezes all past actions over a certain period of time. The FHA premium reduction gets swept into this.” Sources told...


January 13, 2017 - Inside Mortgage Trends

VA Continues Gaining Market Share

Mortgages guaranteed by the Department of Veterans Affairs accounted for 29.4 percent of insured home loans securitized in the agency mortgage-backed securities market in the fourth quarter of 2016, a new Inside Mortgage Trends analysis reveals. That was up from a 27.2 percent share for the VA during the third quarter. The home-loan guaranty program has become a refinance dynamo, accounting for a whopping 44.6 percent of insured refi loans ... [Includes one data chart]


January 13, 2017 - Inside MBS & ABS

FHA’s New Pricing Adjustment Could Boost Ginnie Mae Issuance, Trigger Prepayments on Premium MBS

The 25 basis-point mortgage insurance premium cut announced this week by the Department of Housing and Urban Development’s departing leadership could switch $50 billion of issuance from Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac business to FHA as well as cause premium Ginnie Mae MBS to prepay faster, according to market analysts. Absent any adversarial pricing by private mortgage insurers, a guaranty fee adjustment by the Federal Housing Finance Agency or a reversal by the Trump administration, analysts with Bank of America Merrill Lynch see up to 12 percent of purchase and 2 percent of refis shifting to FHA. On June 9, HUD Secretary Julian Castro announced...


January 12, 2017 - Inside Mortgage Finance

HUD Cuts FHA Mortgage Insurance Premium by 25 bps, Hensarling Slams ‘Parting Gift,’ but Reversal Is Uncertain

Any pushback against the FHA’s 25 basis-point cut in the annual mortgage insurance premium remains to be seen despite grumblings from Capitol Hill, said stakeholders and industry analysts. Earlier this week, the outgoing leadership of the Department of Housing and Urban Development surprised the industry by reducing the annual MIP for 30-year FHA mortgages by 25 bps, and eliminated the higher MIP for loans exceeding $625,500. There are...[Includes one data table]


January 12, 2017 - Inside Mortgage Finance

Securitization of Private MI Loans Declined In 4Q16 Despite Jump in Insured Refi Loans

Lenders delivered $68.26 billion of single-family loans with private mortgage insurance coverage, including modified loans, into Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mortgage-backed securities during the fourth quarter of 2016, according to a new Inside Mortgage Finance analysis and ranking. Fourth-quarter private MI activity for the two government-sponsored enterprises was down 10.1 percent from the previous quarter. Overall, Fannie/Freddie single-family MBS production was up 5.7 percent in the fourth quarter. The drop in MI-insured business at the two GSEs tracked...[Includes two data tables]


January 6, 2017 - Inside FHA/VA Lending

Around the Industry

VA Extends Making Home Affordable Program. The Department of Veterans Affairs has extended the Making Home Affordable program to Oct. 1, 2017. The program was set to expire on Jan. 1, 2017. USDA Approves NewFed Mortgage to originate Section 52 Guaranteed Rural Housing Loans. The U.S. Department of Agriculture has approved NewFed Mortgage Corp., a multi-state residential mortgage lender, to originate USDA loans. Based in Danvers, MA, retailer NewFed offers FHA, VA, USDA, conventional and jumbo mortgage products. Reviews Genworth Financial’s Proposed Sale to Chinese Conglomerate. Fannie Mae has approved Arch Capital’s acquisition of ...


January 6, 2017 - Inside FHA/VA Lending

Michigan Lender Agrees to Pay $48 Million to Resolve FCA Claims

United Shore Financial Services of Troy, MI, has agreed to pay $48 million to resolve allegations of FHA-related fraud, adding to the more than $7 billion in settlements and judgments the Department of Justice has collected since 2009. United Shore, parent company of United Wholesale Mortgage and Shore Mortgage, was accused of improperly originating mortgages and falsely certifying compliance with FHA requirements. Originated between Jan. 1, 2006, and Dec. 31, 2011, the loans eventually turned bad, resulting in significant losses to the FHA insurance fund. The complaint did not specify the number and total amount of the bad loans United Shore originated or the size of FHA’s losses on those loans. United Shore was charged with violation of the False Claims Act, becoming the latest financial institution to join a growing list of FHA lenders that have opted to settle, rather than litigate, ...


January 6, 2017 - Inside FHA/VA Lending

Rumored Nominees for HUD, FHA Jobs Dwindle, VA Sees Longer List

With industry and lawmakers focused on the confirmation hearing next week of President-elect Donald Trump’s nominee to head the Department of Housing and Urban Development, speculation as to who might become Dr. Ben Carson’s top deputy and FHA commissioner has apparently eased. After weeks of speculation, the list for HUD deputy secretary is down to three rumored contenders: Brian Montgomery, former assistant secretary and FHA commissioner; Pam Patenaude, president of the J. Ronald Terwilliger Foundation for Housing America’s Families; and Rick Lazio, a former congressman from New York and a housing finance attorney. Like Montgomery, Patenaude has experience at HUD, serving as assistant deputy secretary for field policy and management. She has extensive experience in housing as an executive vice president at Urban Land Institute and director of housing policy with the ...


January 6, 2017 - Inside FHA/VA Lending

Carson’s Inexperience Front and Center in Confirmation Hearing

The lack of experience in housing and mortgage financing matters could become a sticking point with Dr. Ben Carson, President-elect Donald Trump’s nominee for Housing and Urban Development secretary, during his Senate confirmation hearing on Jan. 12, according to stakeholders. “Democrats, in particular, will want to know his credentials and positions on various housing and enforcement issues,” said an industry observer. “There is doubt whether Carson can address such questions positively and specifically. ‘Living for a while in public housing’ is not a qualification to run HUD or oversee FHA for that matter.” However, Trump’s selection of Carson and other conservatives for cabinet positions signals his intent to govern from the right – a complete reversal from the eight years under President Obama. Notwithstanding his lack of housing expertise, Carson is on the path to promote and ...


January 6, 2017 - Inside FHA/VA Lending

Share of FHA Loans with Initially Material Defects Rises in 3Q16

The initial material defect rate for FHA-insured loans targeted for a quarterly post-endorsement review increased to 53 percent in the third quarter from 50 percent in the previous quarter, according to test results. Published in the FHA’s quarterly Lender Insight, the results were from post-endorsement technical reviews conducted between July 1, 2016, and Sept. 30, 2016, on 5,973 FHA loans. The initial material defect rate appears to be trending upward since June 2016, when it had stayed flat at 47 percent over the previous eight quarters. The latest loan sample was comprised of 75 percent purchase loans, 10 percent streamline refinances, 7 percent rate-and-term refis, and 8 percent Home Equity Conversion Mortgage loans. Of the targeted loans, 23 percent met FHA requirements but an equal percentage were found to be “deficient,” while 12 percent were deemed “unacceptable” due to ...


January 6, 2017 - Inside FHA/VA Lending

FHA to Implement Methodology for Finding, Classifying Loan Defects

The FHA this year will focus mainly on the completion and implementation of the Defect Taxonomy to help lenders easily identify and categorize loan defects found in FHA-insured loans. At least that was the plan announced by the outgoing Obama administration. The agency urged lenders to be on the lookout for detailed information about Defect Taxonomy and other process improvements in the coming months. “As we begin to implement these changes and transition from current processes, some lenders may experience a temporary decrease in loans selected for review,” the FHA noted in Lender Insight, which updates lenders on the latest rulemakings and policy changes. Announced in June last year, Defect Taxonomy is part of the Blueprint for Access, which embodies three core concepts: identifying a defect, capturing the sources and causes of a defect, and assessing the ...


January 6, 2017 - Inside FHA/VA Lending

FHA Expected to Announce 25 bps MIP Reduction, Industry Thrilled

Industry stakeholders are anticipating an FHA insurance premium reduction soon from the Department of Housing and Urban Development. Sources say a 25-basis-point premium reduction is in the works and HUD Secretary Julian Castro may announce it during his farewell address. His last day in office is Jan. 20, President-elect Donald Trump’s inauguration day. A HUD representative declined to comment on the report citing department policy against “commenting on rumors.” A number of lobbyists and consultants said they have heard similar reports but cautioned it is not a done deal. Two industry executives expressed certainty about the veracity of the report. The idea of a premium cut has been raised with neurosurgeon Dr. Ben Carson, Trump’s nominee for HUD secretary, who will have his Senate confirmation hearing on Jan. 12. A mortgage insurance premium reduction at this time would ...


January 6, 2017 - Inside FHA/VA Lending

Ginnie MBS Program Set New Records in 2016, VA Soared

Ginnie Mae guaranteed a total of $507.46 billion of single-family mortgage-backed securities in 2016, its biggest annual volume ever, according to a new analysis and ranking by Inside FHA/VA Lending. That was up 16.4 percent from the agency’s previous record of $435.80 billion set in 2015. (Those figures include MBS backed by FHA home-equity conversion mortgages, which are not included in the table below or in the rankings on pages 3-5.) In 2016, Ginnie guaranteed $497.03 billion of MBS backed by traditional forward mortgages, also a record, which was up 16.9 percent from the previous year. The biggest factor in last year’s record-setting production was the boom in VA lending, particularly VA refinance loans. Issuers securitized a record $203.03 billion of VA loans last year, up 33.0 percent from the 2015 total. Some 54.3 percent of those loans were refinance transactions. Total VA refi loan ... [4 charts]


December 16, 2016 - Inside FHA/VA Lending

Housing Counseling Certification, Assumption Fee Rules Issued

Housing counselors participating in the Department of Housing and Urban Development’s various programs must be certified to offer counseling services to consumers, according to a final rule issued this week by the agency. In order to become certified, housing counselors must pass a standardized written examination and work for a HUD-approved housing counseling agency (HCA). Applicants must demonstrate proficiency in six areas of housing counseling: financial management, property maintenance, responsibilities of homeownership and tenancy, fair housing laws and requirements, housing affordability, and avoidance of mortgage delinquency, eviction and default. Despite its recent release, the final rule will take full effect three years following the announcement of the certification exam. HUD will offer intensive training and study resources in English and Spanish to ...


December 16, 2016 - Inside FHA/VA Lending

Subordinates’ Expertise Will Make Up for Carson’s Lack of Experience

The nomination of Dr. Ben Carson to head the Department of Housing and Urban Development has garnered mixed responses from stakeholders, making the choice of key subordinates more crucial to a successful tenure. Stakeholders are willing to give Carson, a pediatric neurosurgeon, a chance despite his inexperience in civil service and in running a federal agency. They say, however, that Carson’s success as President-elect Donald Trump’s housing chief will likely depend on the people who are going to be named as his assistant secretary for housing, FHA commissioner, and Ginnie Mae president. “The key positions need to be filled by people with deep industry experience and understanding of the primary and secondary mortgage markets and housing overall,” said an industry observer. So far, only Carson has been named for an executive position at HUD. The positions of ...


December 16, 2016 - Inside FHA/VA Lending

FL Court Finds HUD’s Face-to-Face Requirement a Vital Pre-Condition

A recent ruling by Florida’s Fifth Court of Appeal, if finalized, will affect any FHA foreclosure case that references the Department of Housing and Urban Development’s mandatory face-to-face interview with borrowers, according to industry attorneys. In Palma v. JPMorgan Chase Bank, Nat’l Ass’n, et al., the state appellate court found that HUD’s face-to-face interview requirement is “a condition precedent to foreclosure” for Florida mortgages that specifically incorporate the HUD regulation. Prior to the decision, no Florida appellate court has held that HUD’s requirement constitutes a condition precedent to foreclosure, according to attorneys with the Richmond, VA, law firm McGuireWoods. “Although this decision is not yet final and rehearing is likely, it has far-reaching impacts on the conditions and evidence required for foreclosure trials throughout Florida and is the ...


December 16, 2016 - Inside FHA/VA Lending

Growth in VA Lending Not a Reason To Toughen Nonbank Regulation

The VA share of the government-insured market has increased substantially in 2016 as more veterans obtained VA loans, mostly through nonbank lenders. With the growth in VA business, however, comes increased risk exposure to thinly regulated nonbanks, which prompted Washington, DC-based think tank The Urban Institute to call for enhanced nonbank regulation. Given the thin capital and liquidity requirements under which nonbanks operate, it is important to address this risk, writes UI research associate Karan Kaul in an analysis. Unlike the FHA, which insures mortgages up to 100 percent of the loan amount, the VA only guarantees 25 percent of the loan amount, Kaul noted. If a loan defaults, the lender takes the hit on the remaining 75 percent of the loan balance, he added. “If the lender cannot fulfill [its] financial obligations, the VA – hence, taxpayers – pick up the ...


December 16, 2016 - Inside FHA/VA Lending

HECM Originations Rise Slightly in 3Q but Nine-Month Volume is Down

FHA reverse mortgage lenders capped the third quarter of 2016 with a 2.2 percent volume increase over the previous quarter, ending the first nine months with $11.0 billion in new Home Equity Conversion Mortgage loans. The year-over-year story, however, was different, as nine-month originations fell 10.5 percent from the same period last year. Purchase HECMs comprised the bulk of originations, 86.3 percent. Unlike in FY 2015, when the Mutual Mortgage Insurance Fund’s healthy HECM portfolio helped pushed the capital reserve ratio above the statutory 2.0 percent requirement, the portfolio appeared to be in bad shape in FY 2016. The fiscal 2016 actuarial audit of the MMIF projected a negative $7.7 billion economic value for the HECM program, dramatically down from last year’s estimated $6.8 billion. Auditors attributed the decline to adverse effects of “incorporating deeper ... [Chart]


December 16, 2016 - Inside FHA/VA Lending

Billion-Dollar Weather, Climate Disasters Boost Rehab Lending

The FHA’s 203(k) Property, Repair and Rehabilitation program saw a significant increase in activity in the third quarter of 2016, both relative to the previous quarter and from the same period a year ago. Origination of FHA-insured fixer-upper loans jumped 16.2 percent from the previous quarter, bringing the nine-month production total to $2.4 billion. On a year-over-year basis, volume rose 6.9 percent. The top five FHA 203(k) lenders saw a 52.5 percent increase in originations in the third quarter, totaling $202.1 million. Year-over-year, production by the same group was off by 13.1 percent. Purchase loans accounted for $2.2 billion of 203(k) mortgages originated by lenders over the nine-month period while refinance rehab loans accounted for $237.9 million. Billion-dollar weather and climate disasters may have contributed to the surge in 203(k) business. As of September 2016, 12 weather and ... [Chart]


December 16, 2016 - Inside FHA/VA Lending

Pre-Endorsement Review Period Shifts from Pre- to Post-Closing

FHA will no longer perform pre-closing reviews of loans prior to endorsement, according to an agency notice published in the Federal Register this week. Rather, a lender applying for direct endorsement (DE) authority will be required to submit loan files for FHA’s pre-endorsement review only after closing. After determining the mortgage’s eligibility, FHA will notify the lender of the loan’s endorsement. Although the notice’s effective date is Jan. 13, 2017, lenders will be required to submit only closed mortgages for pre-endorsement review on or after April 1, 2017. FHA said it is providing a four-month grace period so that applicants for DE authority will have sufficient time to prepare for the switch. The agency is currently adjusting its systems to accommodate the change. Lenders will be updated periodically about these modifications prior to April 1. Lenders that enter the ...


December 16, 2016 - Inside FHA/VA Lending

Good or Bad? Uncertain Times Ahead for FHA, VA Stakeholders

The government-backed lending market is heading into a year of uncertainty, not knowing whether things will get better or worse under a Trump administration, according to stakeholders. The recent increase in the loan limits for FHA and VA mortgages is expected to have marginal to moderate results for originations, given the tight housing market and rising interest rates, stakeholders noted. Some lenders predict that the benefits of the loan limit increases for FHA and VA will be incremental, particularly in high-cost markets where it is difficult for borrowers to obtain Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac loans. Overall, the Mortgage Bankers Association forecasts a decline in total mortgage originations in 2017, driven by a sharp drop in refinances. However, Michael Fratantoni, MBA senior vice president and chief economist, is predicting 10 percent growth in purchase volume next year, the ...


December 16, 2016 - Inside MBS & ABS

CBO Suggests Higher GSE G-Fees and Lower Loan Limits to Help Reduce Deficit Over Next 10 Years

The Congressional Budget Office is looking for ways to reduce the budget impact of government-backed mortgage programs and recommends that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac increase their guarantee fees and/or significantly lower their loan limits. But the CBO admits those changes would result in raising the cost to borrowers and could potentially restrain the housing market. Under CBO scorekeeping, MBS guarantees provided by the two government-sponsored enterprises from 2017 to 2026 will cost the government $12 billion. Reducing subsidies also would help renew private sector participation in the secondary market, the CBO said. It proposes...


December 9, 2016 - Inside Mortgage Trends

Modest Impact from FHA Loan Limit Hike

FHA and VA lenders don’t expect to see a major increase in business as a result of higher loan limits in 2017. The national “floor” loan limit for FHA is climbing $4,615 to $275,665. The maximum for high-cost markets will increase to $636,150, the same as for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, up $10,650 from this year. At best, lenders say the impact will be marginal to moderate, given the tight housing market and interest-rate fluctuations. Some lenders expect to see a flurry of ...


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HUD has announced a 25 basis point cut in FHA premiums, which is slated to take effect in late January. Is your lending shop for or against a cut in FHA premiums?

For. It should help lending volumes.
Against. The private MI sector should take on this risk, not the government.
Too early to say.
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